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I was pretty much pissed by the result last night
and now I come to the boards to even see some of the sensible people
just rag on Danielle.

I guess it's ok that Lisa won, I liked her
but it is a Game
Game said rodster
Game said Chiarpet
Game said Gerre Bear
Game said Marcy
Game said... blah blah blah

But if someone plays you than F to the U. Come on people light up the hg's that deserve it.

See here's the thing about this game. Nothing is done in secret. Danny may not have been honest to their faces but she was honest in the DR. She actually played the game with truthfulness and integrity by openning her mouth the way she did. It truly was business and not personal. Yet it is obvious that many of the evicted hg's were just sore losers and whimps. 9-1 vote what a bunch of spineless lemmings (Amy, Linda Chiarapet) and hypocrites (Rodster,Marcy, Gerre Bear, Joshy). I exculude Tonjuggs because she is to shallow to be a lemming or a hypocrite.

That house was nothing but hypocrites except for Jay, Lisa, Eric, and Danni.

Those evicted HG's geez you lied, you talked trash, you this you that... and they didn't. Hypocrites

Marcy can't even stand to sit next to that "born-again" christian who was defending Danni and yet it was that same guy who thought he was the power of two with Danni and was plotting to chop Jay. Marcy was taking things way too seriously as were most of the other HG's. You lost, you had the Veto, you are an idiot!

I actually was impressed with Chen for once

Calling Marcy arrogant, actually vain was a better choice. Marcy did lose because he was vain and arrogant. "I played with my heart" Well your heart is pretty dark then Marcy. Marcy and Tonjuggs were obviously the most vain and hense the worst losers.

Also Chen wasn't buying Rodster "Clintonian" spinning of what honesty is about.
"I don't know what I did wrong" said Rodster.
Like selling others a false emotional bill of goods isn't fraudulant lying.
Yeah like Rodster cared even 25% as much for the hg's as he led on.
Oral sex isn't really sex either. Whatever!
I liked Rod until last night, what a dishonest SOB. At least Danni was an honest liar and knew the difference between a lie and the truth.

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Those who want to make Will out as better than Danni are misguided morons. Danni played with her head and not her heart. Will played with his head but didn't have a heart. Who then was the game easier for? Will,he actually didn't give a rip if he hurt others or not and even at times took a sadistic pleasure in it. Danni obviously was disturbed by some of her choices. She had a heart, but she wouldn't let it get in the way of the plan.

I just wonder how differently it would have turned out had her and Jason made it. I bet those hypocrites and lemmings would have been much kinder and if they weren't Danni and Jay could have said Kiss our ass! I think Lisa having foiled the plan allowed those hypocrites to get up on high horses they had no business on. My bet is that the only one's who remain close after the game is over are Jay, Danni, Lisa, and Eric (and yes I do think L&E will tie the knot, She is a total keeper and I think E knows it.)

Give Lisa credit she won when she really had too, but the fact is that both Danni and Jay brought her to the final three. Way back when I thought it was a big mistake for them to keep her instead of Eric. I knew she was a huge threat once E was gone, but I didn't think she would win an endurance contest. Jay really blew that, what a wuss. (Sorry dude but it's true) Although I think it was great that Jay kept Lisa instead of Amy. I think the final two probably would have been Amy & Danni in that case. And I think there is a chance those sore losers would have given Amy the $, but it would have been very close.

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I really agree. I thought that she would get more votes because she did play the "Game".
I know what she did was wrong, she knows what she did was wrong. But she truely did play the game the best. She I think said it the best last night, "If I was the most honest person, would I be sitting here?"

DO NOT FORGET!!! Will told the others to their faces - I will lie to you. I might be lying to you right now. Danielle was two-faced.

I really thought that Josh at least was going to vote Danielle. And MAYBE Lori. I, too, was disappointed that she did not get more votes at least.

Josh proved to be a total fraud.

Only reason Eric will try and cling to Lisa is to get some of that money. He is such a loser..I hope Lisa can see through him but I have serious doubts about that.

I've always liked Danielle...and I think she played well...but I can't understand why she had to say soooo much in the DR. It wasn't necessary.

I thought Dani would get more votes too, from Josh, Amy and Lori and if she was "playing the game" why didn't Dani win?? Josh said himself in the DR, that Dani played the game and outwitted them all. So why didn't he vote for her?

I guess you could say it all comes down to Good vs Evil but who "deserved" to win based on how they played? Dani....

My thoughts exactly gorilla. If she hadn't found the need to slam everyone so much she probably would have won, and slamming people had nothing to do with strategy.

I also agree all the evicted houseguests took things so personnally. However, when you are judged and criticized as they were by Dani, I guess it would be hard not to take it personnally.

Oh and poor poor Roddy, so upset by how everyone talked about him. Whatever! The only comments that I felt were uncalled for were the famous devil comments. Roddy was not as honest as he is pretending to be. He's just upset that people figured him out!

First off, What, your post exposes the houseguests' attitude very, well done! i couln't agree more.

Danielle and Lisa should be applauded, both played and excellent game. Different strategies yet similar strategies that brought them to the end.
Danielle was accused of letting others doing the dirty work for her. While Lisa pretty much did the same thing. Her deal with Jason and Danielle was sealed, all she did after letting Amy back in was to let Danielle order the others to do her deeds that way she looked like the good one, that offended no one.

On the evicted hgs hard feelings: It just shows their maturity level which isn't all that high. there's no use crying over spilled milk. It was a game, and they were beaten fair and sqaure, as Danielle said, the rule was that there were no rules, simply find our own way to get to the end. True that Danielle lied to pretty much everyone, but ultimately every houseguest ends up compromising him/herself along the way either with their overall attitude, lying and/or manipulating. in the BB house, the only person that didn't compromise herslef was Lori and that's simply because she didn't stay in the house long enough to do so. Tonya definitelyt has to deal with some issues since she cannot stand when people say something negative about her. When Lisa pointed out that she was superficial, she was right and to hear the truth it simply ges to her. And as for Roddy, he apparently still is in shock and cannot believe he got evicted and that he was outplayed by so many other hg. He'd better get off his high horse he isn't the only intelligent/strategic person in the world.

Definitely the outcome clearly displays how the evicted houseguest are self-absorbed. the me -myself and I syndrome has clearly taken the best of them...

Not too much to add other than I think this group of houseguests are the most spineless out of all of them except for Jason, Dani and Lisa.

The vote was like a clique getting together and talking about who screwed who...etc etc.

I noticed that a lot in that people would say one thing and vow to knock one person out of the house and then turn right around and do the opposite.

Kudos to Lisa for winning it...Danielle played the game better but opened her mouth one too many times!!

Cheers,
Terry

I wasn't done yet:

To Roddy here is a little clue to what else you did wrong, Mr. Honesty. Big Brother is a true Zero Sum Game, just like Monopoly. Any time you make a deal it gives those in the deal an advantage and by necessity will place certain other hg's in greater jepordy. Think monopoly, once a property is bought by you it's off the market. You can use it to trade, make deals or start a monopoly but no one else can once you buy it. Once you seal a deal you have just stabbed everyone in the back that isn't a part of the deal. That's the way Zero Sum games work. Your advantage is another persons disadvantage. And what did you think, that if someone promissed to give you a pass on their monopoly at one point, they should do it when that means they go out of the game instead of you; No way, that is NOT how a Monopoly game is played.

Even in a non Zero sum game analogy what Roddy pulled was crap. "Here Amy I'll let you score this once, provided that when I need to you let me score as many runs as I want." That's not making a deal, that's fixing the game in such an open ended scenario.

I guess I was so disappointed that so many of those losers lost the Game perspective. From What I could tell only Danni, Jason, Lisa, and Eric really understood that. The rest were either totally pissed they did not win or influenced by those who were pissed. There were a fair number of players that I actually had a possitive attitude about until they reveled their true moronship and lack of sportsmanship last night. Once the game is over for you an attitutude is sour grapes. I don't care if people think conflict is good TV, they had all that time in the house to rip at what they didn't like about people in the DR ala Danny. Some say that is bad strategy. I say that is the way to play truthfully. You don't hold your tongue in the DR. Once you are in a jury, you should try and be impartial although I give Eric a pass for obvious reasons.

In the end I think the best player got second place. Thank Goodness sporting championships are decided on the field of play rather than by vote of all but the last two teams. The underdogs would always beat a team that has dominated and embarresed everybody else. A team that played the dominate team well, I bet would vote for the dominate team out of respect. We gave it our best but you were one or two better. It's the teams that suck who would be most likely to feel bitter about getting beat by an embarressing margin.

When you place things in the game/ competition context, which is what big brother is, than it just gets worse and worse for everyone except Jay, Danni, Lisa, and Eric.

The "good hits" "takedowns" and "hip checks" in this game are done on a mental and emotional level instead of on the physical level. Reality TV game shows are a full contact sport. Step UP or Step Off. This wasn't good vs evil it was more like finesse vs. brawn

Lambeer's Pistons vs Jorden's Bulls
Boston Bruins vs Edmonton Oilers
Ditka's 86 Bears vs. Warner's 00 Rams
Dany vs. Lisa
I think they were both specatular people, but Danni was the better player. Everyone who wants to tie a noose on Danni are clueless. It is a game, people. She played well was dominate. The only flaw was that Jay didn't get to the final. And I don't think that really falls on Danni. I think Lisa probably would have made it no matter what. She peaked at the right time, while Jay withered under the pressure, although that last competition was heavily in Lisa's favor. Once again, the endurance contest should have been Jay's.

In the End, Danni still gets 2nd and a lot more Cold Cash Money than the rest. So all you naysayers kiss my ? and hers and hers too!

although no one seems to be naysaying me here. Come on Wonka

Are you done yet?

The situation with Will and Nicole is a lot different than the situation with Lisan and Dani. With BB2 both members were disliked, but Will ended up winning because people disliked Nicole even more. If Will would have gone against anyone else, he probably would have lost as well. Dani's problem is that she played the game similar to Will, but was paired against a much more likable person.

True that Dani had the best strategy, but her fatal mistake was not taking into account how people would react when they saw the tapes. If the jury would have voted for the winner prior to seeing the tapes (similar to Survivor ) then Danielle would have probably won. I don't think anyone disputes the fact that she played the game the best, but you should not dispute the fact that people are not going to give 500k to someone that ridiculed them on national tv. You may not like the outcome, but that is the way people are. People are selfish and have egos and not accouting for this is not being very realistic.

Jason had the best strategy as he was somewhat manipulative like Danielle, but he was always very respectful of the evicted houseguests. He also lied just like Danielle, but it was more acceptable since he always did his best to be respectful and not trash the evicted housguests.

Calvin, for your and everyone else's info. NO!

I haven't even to started knocking Mr. Marcy Fabulous yet.

I think that one may eat all the bandwith the sight has.

at this point I am not going to stop shooting until all the ammo is gone
and everybody player but J,D,L, & E needs a body bag even if they are already mortally wounded

I am going for severe overkill, not just plain old ordinary overkill.

And now I continue

As I have said in the past, I particularly like Big Brother and Rtv shows like this because of the psychology involved. I think you really do end up getting a significant glimse into the hearts and minds of people. Like they say adversity doesn't build character it reveals it.

Danni: Tough, Strong willed, intellegent, focused, Guardedly caring, loyal, a great liar, moral (knows the difference between right and wrong and hows that for a complex contradiction), a nasty adversary, enduring, patient, wise, commited, passionate, and $50,000 richer

Dog type: rotty, dobermain, or Pit Bull terrior

Lisa: Genuine, kind, caring and compassionate, emotional, beautiful inside even more than without, thoughtful, a bit of geek in a charming way, soft spoken, soft hearted, She couldn't pull of being nasty if she tried and she was smart enough not too try. Princess of Darkness (ah that's funny), patient, a little dense but opportunistic (After all she figured out J&D when there were how many people left not nominated, her and Amy hello!) She didn't have to do a lot, but she made the right moves at the right time, . and 500G's richer

Dog type: a Cocker Spanial that is more loopy than stuck up

Eric: A regular cromagnon man, but even he knew it was a game and that he might have scored a prize worth more than $500,000. Who would have thought that What? is a hopless romantic, though the ad naseaum focus on Eric and Lisa did make me want to puke. (Insert puking smiley here) However, there were some seriously good moments and their sappyness was sweet. More of a maple suryup than pine sap. "Hi!" ?????What I still don't get it. I bet a lot of Lisa old beau's are shaking there heads thinking, it was that easy, just say "hi." I'm rooting for them.

If were a dog he'd be a bull dog.

Jay: Quiet, reserved, a follower, loyal, calculating, strong emotionally and well balanced, grounded, fun, also geeky in a charming way, wait maybe he's more dorky than geeky if there is a difference. Sweet, kind, cautious, personable, tolerant, nice guy/ goody two shoes (that is a compliment), handsome, emotional, and kept game focus, smart to hook up and stay with Danni. Ohh so close. He should be proud.

A total puppy dog (yellow lab)

Hmmm to much positive time to go negative again dog types only

Tonjuggs: Dogs don't get plastic surgery do they? She's just a slut, I mean mutt (oops now she'll hate me forever)

Gerre Bear: A big poodle (ick)

Rodster: cross between a beagle and the "Babe" the sheep hearding pig. Pretty like a beagle but can't understand why all the other dogs don't like him.

Chiarapet: Breed irrelevant, bitch in heat.

Joshy: Chiwawa, all yip dog through and through

Lori: a totally goofy Cocker Spanial

Marcy: A Cocker so stuck up that it thinks it not only better than other dogs but all humans as well.

Julie Chen: Killer Yorky or Jack Russel terrior

Amy: A coon hound with an owner that thinks drunk dogs are funny.